This blogmeister noticed the "Pondering American," and Mr. American has noticed this blog. Only fair.
From TPA:
In fact, as it is using us its has designs to destroy the Republican party.
The Republican establishment is doing a good enough job to destroy itself — if the GOP does hold the House in November, it will be BECAUSE of Tancredo, Sensenbrenner, et al., not in spite of them.
That is you can't trust what they say about us because they are all LIBERALS or worse. Well we shall see.
I'll never accuse you of being "liberal," but I will accuse you of being neo-conservative.
For the record, I am no liberal. I am a Republican. I also am very pro-life-,anti gun control, very pro Bush, Pro war on terror, and a fiscal conservative.
And I believe you.
At the same time, as a Christian conservative I reject the hate and koodum.
Hm, well, it has been more than two years since I responded to that kind of shibboleth, so I'll do so again by quoting my favorite source, myself. From February 13, 2004:
This brings up another rub. Some of you, in your complaining, claim that our political activity is un-Christian, because Christianity ordains racial equality. Of course, this webmaster is nothing more than a hack amateur theologian, but he cannot find anything in the Old or New Testaments demanding that human societies engage in egalitarianism.
This webmaster also finds it strange that it has only been in the last half-century or so that Christian churches “found” this “calling” to be universalist, so it leads this webmaster to believe that the propensity for universalism (including racial equality) within Christian Churches today is merely a symptom of Churches whoring themselves to Babylon.
Compare that to C.F.W. Walther, who was one of the principal founders of the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church. On the verge of the War Between The States, he instructed young Lutheran gentlemen who were about join the Union Army that (paraphrased): “If you want to go to fight to free the slaves, go ahead, but don’t say that God told you to do so, because he didn’t.”
Beyond that, this webmaster’s best advice to you Christian egalitarians is similar: If you feel in your heart of hearts that equality is the best route for a civil society to follow, then you have as much right to lobby for that paradigm as we do for what we think. But don’t go e-flaming us telling us that we’re going to go to Hell because God doesn’t agree, because that’s not the case, at least in His Revealed, Inspired Word. I would point to you the very last admonition in the very last book of the New Testament. Read it, live it, love it, learn it.
Back to the Ponderer:
I also believe that by exposing groups as this pseudo Klan like group , that Republicans I admire will not feel the need to go and pander to them in close elections.
Well, the SPLC, the ADL and the left wing kookosphere have done just that for months and years, and that hasn't precluded some Republicans from "pandering" to us. How you and that Subway Canary will change that by merely block-quoting SPLC material on your "little ole blogs" is beyond me.
I am quite aware of the battle between the CoCC and Morris Dees of the SPLC. I am under no illusion that Mr.. Dees is a member of the Republican party. However, this group has done some good work in exposing hate. Its their niche in the political debate.
Wrong. Their niche is to scare rich left-wingers into thinking that the Nazis are just over the hill waiting to throw 'em all into gas chambers, and that the only way to stop it is to write Mr. Dees a check with a lot of zeros in the numerical box. Whatever hustle you think that part of the Minuteman Project has devolved into (and I agree with you), and whatever consternation you hold for the sake of it, your consternation toward Mr. Dees and HIS hustle should be a hundred times more vicious.
What the Council fears is that real conservatives and Republicans will start putting them and others under the magnify glass. That is what Subway Canaries, other bloggers , and myself are going to do. In essence the Conservative Right will excise Kookdum from our midst and they fear that.
If you got what you want, how would Poe say it? Something like, "Ye shall be electorally victorious, nevermore." Frankly, I don't give a damn what neo-conservatives ("real conservative and Republicans," in your parlance) do. I only care about real human beings. There are a lot more human beings that vote than neo-conservative ideologues.
Perhaps the CoCC is mad because they are not getting a cut.
Nah, none of our Directors want to be hauled away in handcuffs for Federal wire and mail fraud.
We shall follow this development closer here at the Pondering American because it seems that Greed and the almighty dollar is about to triumph over the need to perserve the White race and ship all the illegals (Mexicans) back over the border.
Where have I heard that song before. Profits before Patriotism.
Also look at that last line of that entry. What does that mean?
You can't be that naive, can you?
My question to the Council of Council of Conservative (hijack word alert) Citizens of St Louis is what are you denying in any of these reports. What do you object to and what do you accept?
It's not necessarily veracity that's an issue in any of these grand "exposes." It's the fact that these "exposes" concoct a flimsy fabrication of one person being "linked" to another or one group being "linked" to another to formulate a "thesis" that there is a vast right wing conspiracy out to get us all. Also, you and Subway keep bandying about "KKK," as if there really is such a thing as "KKK" that has more than three adherents that are not Federal law enforcement informants.
This is a man that even tried to deny his connections to you but you talk about him in your June 20th 2006 post as now appearing at you glorious convention last weekend.
Even Judas regretted what he did to Jesus.
How come politicos have to deny your very existance when asked about it at times and pretend they don't have a clue.?
Because they're scared of the power of the mainstream media. Of course, that contradicts your own frustration with them "pandering" to us.
The fact that the council is often the organizer and main body of particpants at some of these anti illegal rallys that the media reports on is about to be exposed. What you are trying to pass off as mainstream America is about to be exposed for what it is.
I hope.
But true conservatives and Republicans will deny you a role in this debate masquerading as one of us.
Keep on talking, this is sounding better and better.
By the way, the Nation magazine has quoted leaders of the CoCC that Representative Tancredo has met with the President of your Organization and other folks over planning sessions on the immigration issue.
Wow, perish the thought. One of our executives SPOKE with an elected politician on matters of common interest! What'll they think of next. Well, hold on to your hat, Pondering, because I got one that will floor you. Nearly all of our members VOTE in ELECTIONS on a regular basis!
The St Louis Council of Conservative Citizens is a pretty big chapter, I think in the whole Council scheme of things.
I'll take that as a compliment.
Just remember when you hear that there are groups protesting against the President Bush's views on immigration to ask these questions. Who is organizing it and who are the main participants.
And did you spell the name of the organizing groups correctly? And how does one join the group? Yes, Pondering, PLEASE make sure you throw that all in.
Well slap me silly.
I'm tempted.
A few points about his disscussion of astro turf. This is exactly what has been alleged against the the anti immigration movement. It is amusing that he is trying to turn this around. I will quote them anyway even though the Council will object because of its source.
And the pro-immigration side is as pure and clean as the wind driven snow. I mean, all that corporate money backing just about every radical Latino group you can think of is just an example of pure altruism, and NOT an example of elitist self-perpetuation. Yes, Pondering, us kooks in the 60s to 90s of percent of people (the "radical fringe," no doubt) who oppose amnesty and want real immigration control simply have to resort to faking it. Your side has the astroturf, and it's the really soft and juicy kind that wreaks havoc on the ankles and ACLs of quarterbacks and center fielders.