Descendants of the Signers

22 11 2015

Your Blogmeister’s Desk

Back in 2006, this story interested me.  Eighty percent of today’s English are direct descendants of the Edward III (reign 1327-1377)

A while later, I read a story, but lost it, that genetic analysis done of English babies born in 1947 shows that there is an 80% chance that any one such person is a direct descendant of any person who lived during the reign of King John, of Magna Carta fame (1199-1216), including King John himself.  To look at it another way, John or any individual that was one of his contemporaries is a direct ancestor of 80% of English persons born in 1947.

To swing it back around to Edward III, while it’s true that 80% of Britons are direct descendants of Edward, it is also true that 80% of Britons are direct descendants of someone who made a living cleaning horse manure out of stables in the fourteenth century.

Both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are direct descendants of Edward III.

That so many Britons are direct descendants of royalty is so inconsequential that it and £2 gets you a cheap cup of coffee in London.  What it means is that everyone is a direct descendant of someone important in history that we’ve all heard of.

I’m thinking about the veracity of this theory.

Consider one of today’s most exclusive hereditary-entry clubs:  The Descendants of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence (DSDI).  I don’t know how many members it has, or how many it could have, but I do know that only fifteen of the 58 signers have living descendants today.

Let’s say that a generation is 30 years, and every signer had two children, and every one else will have two children.

So it goes like this:

1776: 58

1806: 116
1836: 232
1866: 464
1896: 928
1926: 1,856

1956: 3,712
1986: 7,424
2016: 14,848
2046: 29,696
2076: 59,392 (Tricentennial)

2106: 118,784
2136: 237,568
2166: 475,136
2196: 950,272
2226: 1,900,544

2256: 3,801,088
2286: 7,602,176
2316: 15,204,352
2346: 30,408,704
2376: 60,817,408 (Sexicentennial)

2406: 121,634,816
2436: 243,269,632
2466: 486,539,264
2496: 973,078,528
2526: 1,946,157,056

2556: 3,892,314,112
2586: 7,784,628,224
2616: 15,569,000,000
2646: 31,138,000,000
2676: 62,277,000,000 (Nonicentennial)

2706: 124.5 billion
2736: 249.1 billion
2766: 498.2 billion
2796: 996.4 billion
2826: 1.993 trillion

2856: 3.985 trillion

Notice I have separated them by five generations removed from the signers per bundle, for easy counting.

Using this as a guide, next year, you could fit the whole DSDI in a typical large city hockey/basketball arena like the Scottrade Center.  Even at the year of the tricentennial, they could fit in the Edward Jones Dome.

But as you can see, two to the power of n is powerful as n increases.  Nineteen generations removed or 570 years gets you almost to California’s current population.  Twenty-three generations removed or 690 years gets you above the current population for the whole country.  Twenty-seven generations removed or 810 years gets you above the current world population.  Thirty-one generations removed or 930 years gets you higher than the estimate for the current number of human beings that have ever lived.  Of course, who knows what the world’s population will be in 810 years or what the estimate for the total number of people who have ever existed will be in 930 years.  What we do know that with each generation, there are twice as many descendants as there were in the previous, while each given descendant becomes genetically less and less like an actual 1776 signer.  And at some point, maybe between the 15th and 20th generation, the 450th and 600th anniversary, being DSDI will become both numerically too ubiquitous and genetically too irrelevant to be special.  Depending on the carrying capacity of the world and other factors, definitely by the 29th generation or 870 years out, being DSDI and being human will become the same thing.

That said, the part about King John and King Edward III is not only plausible, but probable.  It’s amazing that only 80% of b. 1947 Britons are direct descendants of John; seems like they virtually all should be.

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5 responses

22 11 2015
Thomas

Proving your point, I’ve been told I’m a descendant of this chap:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_of_the_Nine_Hostages

23 11 2015
Alex the Goon

What about the Signers who lost everything post 7/4/76? Presumably, some offspring were burned inside their homes.
Aside from our side of the pond, I wouldn’t expect that 80% figure to hold for long, if England continues cucking itself out to the tird world.

24 11 2015
JRM

For a comparison, those interested should look up Attila the Hun; some amazing numbers of descendants.

24 11 2015
JRM

Instead of Attila I think Genghis Khan was the one who sired so many children…always getting those two confused.

28 11 2015
GLAAAR!

What it really means is that back when dysgenic birth rates didn’t mean the triumph of The Horde; the wealthy genes were pushing DOWNWARDS, into the lower classes, raising the quality of all because they came from the families that had the most surviving children. And those children were forced, by vicious competition, to fight their way back up the social ladder, based on their own achievement.

This is no longer the case now that mere conservatism ensures that a rich man is the mark of inherited wealth in a sealed class system while his lessers run amok in their breeding to challenge the very basis of society to support them all.

No man is more than what he achieves. But a man who has the genetic donais of royalty is more likely to be descended from the good hunter, good warrior, good leadership bloodlines which continue to expand outwards into a society which needs all the smart and capable people it can get to continue to raise it’s social and technological standards.

It is when those standards get high enough and nobody wants to do scut menial labor that you encounter problems as rich men who cannot convince the poor to be their slaves, ‘elect a new population’ from outside sources instead.

And that population is increasingly brought in from a wide-flung net of ever more ‘globally diverse’, genetically impoverished, peoples whose genes as potential for phenotype expressed excellence, cannot be improved by a mere 5 points of IQ boosting to the levels which enable a new generation of greatness.

This is the base flaw in socialist Lysenkoism as a replacement for hard genetic science.

Breed from within the group and their genes are refined and strengthened. Breed from outside it and you get the muck of also rans who never developed advanced society to begin with.




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