Day Three Open Thread

20 07 2016

Cleveland

UPDATE:  Considering the events of last night, and considering the prophetic way I started this post, you’ll find my running commentary about that matter in the comment section.

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Like I said, Trump should take Cruz off the speakers’ list for his explicit or implicit stunt and his refusal to damp his ambitions.  Already, we’re starting to hear talk about Cruz 2020, and even if it’s not coming from Cruz’s camp, his refusal to dampen those flames that others have set means that he’s thinking it.  And if he’s thinking it, it means he’s either not confident that Trump will win this year, or he doesn’t want him to win.  Because, when your party’s convention is nominating someone for President who isn’t already President, you do not, for the sake of PR, talk about your party’s Presidential candidates four years from now, because you’re implicitly undermining your own nominee.  Because it is assumed that your own party’s nominee will win this year and seek re-election four years hence.


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20 07 2016
Hard Right

Where’s Deray?

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-07-19/rnc-protests-rage-but-anti-trump-organizers-ask-where-is-everyone

RNC Protests Rage, but Anti-Trump Organizers Ask: Where Is Everyone?

Low turnout and very few arrests come as a surprise.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

Maybe this means they’re all going to the Commiecrat Convention?

20 07 2016
Hard Right

http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2016/07/in-suburb-of-cleveland-enriched-by.html

In Suburb of Cleveland Enriched by Black Migration, Black Male Gunned Down at “Stop the Violence Beach Party”

20 07 2016
Hard Right

Clueless Millennials Attend Convention

http://www.wired.com/2016/07/republican-convention-millennials-search-signs-future/

Future Female Leaders

20 07 2016
countenance

That same article could be written almost verbatim at any time in the history of civilization. I bet you’ll find hieroglyphs on ancient Egyptian temples complaining about how there aren’t enough young people in the Pharoah’s group of advisers. Politics have always been, are currently, and will always be, the province of old people.

Forty years from now, (provided nothing much changes), when Millennials dominate politics, the articles then will be about how the young rising generation of (whatever the generation that follows Gen Z – Homelanders will be called) are frustrated by all these old Millennials clogging up the drain and dominating politics.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

Millennials seem to be especially stoopid. I’m sure you were on AmRen today.

http://www.amren.com/news/2016/07/how-a-generation-lost-its-common-culture/

20 07 2016
countenance

Who is dumbing down the curricula that Millennials are being force fed? It’s not other Millennials.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

They can’t think for themselves? It doesn’t matter who is responsible. The point is that they’re useless.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
countenance

It interrupted a Ted Cruz event.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/20/one-of-hillarys-top-vp-picks-also-destroyed-emails-used-a-secret-account/

“I’m 52 years old, and I don’t know much about technology,” Vilsack said at the time, according to The National Review. “I don’t even know how to send a response to an e-mail, that’s how technologically deficient I am.”

20 07 2016
countenance

Yes, because 52 is really ancient.

BTW, I interpret Tim Kaine being on the short list as something that has Terry McAuliffe’s fingerprints all over it.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

Not much going on today. Alt Right whining over Breitbart Butt Boy getting banned from Twitter. Tea Party MILF’s still wetting themselves over Trump’s entrance.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
20 07 2016
Hard Right

Forney demonstrates hover hand

20 07 2016
Hard Right

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Hard Right

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Hard Right

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Hard Right

20 07 2016
Hard Right

This is just too boring. Think I’ll take the night off. I’ll probably miss a mass murder somewhere.

Hey, Countenance, is it the Jihadis’ turn tonight? I’ve lost track.

20 07 2016
countenance

So far, this has been my least favorite night. I’m sticking around for Peter Thiel.

22 07 2016
Olorin

Ouch.

20 07 2016
20 07 2016
countenance

This crowd noticed that Cruz never openly endorsed Trump and vocally demanded that he did, and booed him when he was done for not having done so. Only Trump walking onto the floor at the time and the resulting cheers prevented it from being all raspberries.

Until that point, Cruz was having a pretty good speech.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
countenance

And Newt started his speech by dropping a bomb of verbal irony and sarcasm on Cruz’s head. Cruz should be lucky it’s not Krispy speaking right now, for he would have New Jersey style shivved him.

The ancient Romans of the late republican transitioning to early imperial period would feel right at home with this convention.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

Trump is Octavian instead of Sulla?

20 07 2016
Hard Right

Maybe Greeks instead of Romans?

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
Hard Right

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20 07 2016
Hard Right

What the hell was he thinking?

20 07 2016
countenance

Personal ambition.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

His career is finished.

20 07 2016
countenance

Any slim chance he ever had to be President, slim because his type is quickly becoming obsolete, is now gone, only because he cares more about his selfish ambitions than anything.

20 07 2016
countenance

Peter Thiel speaks tomorrow night.

20 07 2016
countenance

20 07 2016
countenance

“Now you see why we hate him.” — Signed, 99 other U.S. Senators

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
countenance

OTOH, one plagiarized paragraph has now officially become very old news and hardly a thing.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

I don’t think it ever was a thing.

20 07 2016
countenance

20 07 2016
20 07 2016
countenance

I’ve heard of politicians ruining their careers for things they did say, (and unfortunately, had a front row seat to one example), but for the first time maybe ever, a politician ruined his career for something he didn’t say.

20 07 2016
20 07 2016
Hard Right

At least he’s doing something useful.

20 07 2016
countenance

Like I said, the ones that stayed away did better for themselves than Cruz going, speaking, and doing what he did, or rather, didn’t do. Amazing as this is to say, Ted Cruz gave me a little bit of new found respect for the Bushes and John McCain.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
Hard Right

21 07 2016
Alex the Goon

Annnnnd, this is why I haven’t listened to one word of this convention. Crap like that makes it hard to maintain a PMA.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
countenance

Though I’m not much of a Peter King fan either, he’s plenty weaseley himself.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

That’s how bad it is. Even a few Cruzbots are criticizing him.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
20 07 2016
countenance

Either Trump trusted Cruz, or he merely gave him enough rope to hang himself.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

Won’t matter. The only person who can hurt Trump is Trump.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
countenance

Hmmmmm. He read it, knew what he would say and wouldn’t say, and let it go. Like I said, giving him enough rope to hang himself. A night that Shakespeare, Pareto and Machiavelli would all eat up.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
countenance

Though I don’t think anyone needed to be encouraged to boo, they would have done that naturally. Still, it’s more evidence that Trump knew what was(n’t) coming, and let it happen, and Cruz was too oblivious and too blinded by his own personal ambition to realize that he was being walked into a trap.

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
Hard Right

20 07 2016
Hard Right

For more than eight minutes, two Twitter executives at the Republican National Convention refused to answer whether they support freedom of speech

20 07 2016
Hard Right

22 07 2016
Olorin

Mrs. Hubbell’s getting edgy methinks.

21 07 2016
countenance

A couple of “sleep on it” observations:

1. I said Cruz was lucky it was Newt and not Krispy speaking after Eric. Well, Krispy did get his shivving in later on. I’ll see if I can find video.

2. It’s as simple as this: The Romans once said that old age and treachery will always defeat youth and skill. Cruz tried to take on someone who made his fortune in the maddening labyrinth of Manhattan commercial real estate. The outcome was predictable as a Klitschko brother picking a fight with an average silverback gorilla.

3. I also tend to think this Machiavellian setup was also Trump’s way of sending a message to those who didn’t show up and any of his primary season opponents that still might have hard feelings.

21 07 2016
21 07 2016
countenance

Cruz defenders, the last few that remain, such as Mark Levin, are trying to say that Reagan never actually endorsed Ford at the contentious ’76 convention. That’s technically correct, but then again, Reagan never left the impression that he was going to undermine Ford for his own benefit four years later. Besides, Reagan was already 65 years old in ’76, and everyone presumed that that was his last change.

21 07 2016
countenance

Prediction: Cruz doesn’t run for re-election to the Senate in two years. We know he’s not fond of the Senate, and vice-versa. If he only went there to try to run for President, and his Presidential chances are shot, then he has no reason to stick around. All the better for him that he trots around the country to preach lamestream conservative purity to grift off of old rich lamer cons, get in on that hustle while there’s still some gettin’ to be got.

21 07 2016
countenance

Okay, this is trying to make some sort of case, I guess. What it is, I have no clue.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/20/ted-cruz-preaches-a-return-to-freedom-at-rnc-and-refuses-to-endorse-trump/

21 07 2016
Joshua Sinistar

Cruz just committed career suicide. They still have all those phonelogs downloaded from that madam they assassinated that her lawyer released. His sudden loyalty to the GOPe dopes is because of that. But now he’s damaged goods. He might go back to Canada now. Texas has probably had enough of this fake cowboy. He’s no hat or cattle.

21 07 2016
countenance

I noticed that the only reason the booing was not a total bloodbath is that Trump walked in the arena just at the time when Cruz was finished. Like Rush, I don’t think that timing was a mere coincidence. And, Rush is also thinking what I’m thinking and we all know to be the truth, that it was Trump setting Cruz up. Rush also thinks that this was Trump playing 3D chess to isolate Cruz to drive a wedge between Cruz and most of the party establishment and #NeverTrump crowd who still wasn’t with Trump.

Even if that’s too much, if you didn’t realize how Machiavellian Donald Trump can be, and how jousting with him is a fool’s errand, then last night should prove it. Like I said, Trump was also using this to send a message to a lot of other people, and one of those people is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

21 07 2016
21 07 2016
countenance

Here’s another irony.

I wrote here and elsewhere when Trump announced on June 16, 2015, that while I didn’t think Trump would actually win the nomination, that his personality and presence in the race would turn the race into a demolition derby that would do two things: One, force what was then considered top tier candidates out of the race very early, and two, result in those who were thought at the time to be lower tier candidates to stay in the race longer than they or anyone thought, and three, result in a very surprising nominee not named Trump.

One turned out to be right (to wit: Scott Walker dropped out in September, Jeb Bush didn’t last but a few primaries), and Two turned out to be right because of Cruz and Kasich being long track finalists, but Three was wrong. The surprising nominee turned out to be Trump himself.

The only reason Cruz was the place horse when all was said and done was precisely because Trump was in the race, precisely because the demolition derby created a set of circumstances that allowed Cruz to be the second place finisher this season, when he would not have gotten so far and finished so well if the race never had Trump. Remember, Cruz soft-pedaled Trump until close to the Iowa caucus time, because Cruz was hoping Trump would implode and Cruz would be there to pick up the pieces. While that didn’t happen, what it meant is that, before their falling out, Trump’s rise was also Cruz’s rise. Cruz is mistakenly inferring that, since he was the second place horse, he would have won the whole thing if Trump never got in. Like I wrote here and elsewhere as early as 2013, the only two possible Republican nominees in 2016 were an outsider or quasi outsider or pseudo outsider militant populist who, while running as a Republican, would triangulate against the rest of the party, (I was thinking Jeff Sessions), or Jeb Bush. I never thought that ideologues like Cruz or Rand Paul had much of a chance, because right-libertarian or lamestream conservative ideological orthodoxy just doesn’t have the punch anymore to beat the party establishment at the national Presidential level.

21 07 2016
countenance

Another analogy: Ted Kennedy vs Jimmy Carter, 1980, Kennedy’s “the dream shall never die” convention speech. The main difference between that and this is also the difference between 1976 RNC and this — Nobody thought that Kennedy’s non-endorsement of Carter had to do with Kennedy thinking 1984, that everyone in 1980 thought, accurately as it turned out, that 1980 was Ted Kennedy’s only and last chance at the Presidency. He never even tried any time later.

Incidentally, I’ve made the analogy between Ted Kennedy and the other Ted, that being Cruz. Kennedy became “the lion of the Senate” because he knew he was not Presidential material, and got to work getting his hands dirty in Senatorial work. Ted Cruz could do the same, except now I think he’ll never get over his selfish ambitions.

21 07 2016
countenance

Cruz wants us to think that everyone who voted for Trump only did so because Trump is holding their grandmother hostage in the basement of Trump Tower. Conscience, as if the only morality that exists purely exists within the bounds of lamestream conservative ideology.

21 07 2016
countenance

PJB compares Cruz to Nelson Rockefeller. The big difference and irony is that Rockefeller was bitching that Barry Goldwater was too ideological, while Cruz is the ideological one bitching that Trump isn’t ideological.

http://buchanan.org/blog/ted-cruz-trump-takeover-125466

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