Thorns in the Roses

31 08 2016

Your Blogmeister’s Desk

Me, May 22, after I presented my proposed definition of alt-right for the first time in this space:

Meaning it’s an umbrella term that covers a lot of people, groups and ways of thinking; the umbrella is big enough such that not everyone underneath it agree with each other on everything. For instance, RooshV is Alt-Right, (gender and sex issues), Jared Taylor is Alt-Right, (race issues), under this definition, but this has not precluded the former from taking swipes at the latter.

I wrote as a comment there:

My proposed def of alt-right isn’t me wishing with my heart, it’s me observing and thinking and concluding with my brain. IOW, I didn’t include any racialist-exclusive implications in my def NOT because I want it that way, but because that is the way the alt-right is currently constituted and presenting itself. If a movement can comfortably fit Anglin, Moldbug, Roosh and Jared Taylor into it, as the alt-right does, then you have to conclude that explicit white racialism or explicit anti-Semitism isn’t a distinguishing characteristic and neither one is a sine qua non entry barrier.

The fact that there’s no race-based entry barrier into the alt-right is the source of a lot of contention, and is why a lot of people who are alt-right, to the extent that they fit the definition of it, don’t like the term at all. And that’s not even counting those of us who are strongly if not extremely opposed to, and paranoid about the J tribe. That crowd doesn’t like the term alt-right all precisely because the net is cast too wide, or if they like it, they think that it should only apply exclusively to them.

The mistake that most people are making when trying to grab a hold of the alt-right Jello is that they think alt-right means anything to the right of lamestream conservatives.  If that was the case, then the alt-right would be one big confusing mess full of people that really dislike each other.  However, even with my “chiefly” and “anti-egalitarian” and “uncomfortable” delimiters in my proposed definition, that still leaves a motley enough crew, where beefs and feuds and even outright contempt are very possible.

And we already have our first example of such in the era of the alt-right being the hottest thing on Earth:  This wildly blown out of proportion feud between WNs and Common Filth.


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31 08 2016
Pangur

“The mistake that most people are making when trying to grab a hold of the alt-right Jello is that they think alt-right means anything to the right of lamestream conservatives. If that was the case, then the alt-right would be one big confusing mess full of people that really dislike each other.”

My sense is that things are still shaking out. For this and many other reasons, we’ll see lots of people (the Richard Spencers of the world, e.g.) try to claim leadership or ownership of it. This is to be resisted, for a variety of reasons, the best of which is that the alt-right is best left in distributed nodes, rather than centralized. Lot of entryism by the (((usual suspects))) too, the amusing “Heat Street” web blog comes to mind.

Some related threads:

http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8812-purging-and-other-assorted-alt-right-inanties-such-as-monarchy/page__st__0

https://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8971-everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-phalanx-but-were-afraid-to-ask-because-you-would-look-stupid-for-wondering/

31 08 2016
countenance

I know about MPC vs #NRx, and I really want no part of it. And, under my def, both are alt-right. The last thing we need to do is to get into the purging habit. Purging is so 1950s to 1990s.

31 08 2016
Pangur

RE; purging, sure, we don’t want NRO style purges like the ones that got Sailer and Steyn. However, there are people who should be purged because they are fatal to any movement associated with them: esoteric Hitlerists and WNs, two groups of people who should be relentlessly purged out of any movement that wants to succeed. It should be obvious why this is.

31 08 2016
countenance

Re Heat Street, you’re talking about (((Louise Mensch))). She and H/S does good work, but I’m under no delusions that anti-egalitarianism is the straw that stirs her drink, therefore, she’s not alt-right.

31 08 2016
Pangur

HS is where the jews went after they realized that Breitbart had too many goys. It is currently the home of mini-yid Ben Shapiro, so draw your own conclusions. I don’t know anything about Mensch except that she’s apparently both a jew and British, thus doubly suspect. Vox Day apparently thinks well of her too.

31 08 2016
Hard Right

It’s interesting that several posters on MPC agree with my definition of the Alt-Right, that is, anyone on the Right who isn’t a complete cuck.

As for Common Filth, it seems to be mostly the sodomite contingent who is pissed off at him.

31 08 2016
Hard Right

I didn’t know about the bumper stickers Common Filth is selling. No wonder the White Dindus are pissed.

31 08 2016
countenance

Common Filth isn’t for everyone, and his schtick needs a lot of brain power to understand. In his last handful of videos, he’s been trying to make the case that WN qua WN is a fool’s errand because so many white people are the kinds of degenerates that he makes fun of in his vids. And in doing so, he has taken some open swipes at Stormfront. Well, it has started a pie fight on Twitter.

Common Filth’s anti-egalitarian chops, when it comes to orientation, gender, sex, race, or parentheses, are unquestionable.

31 08 2016
David In TN

Former Chronicles editor Thomas Fleming once wrote that all conservative movements fail due to the lack of loyalty of its members.

You can find Samuel Francis’ Chronicles writings in the Chronicles archives if you’re a subscriber. He had a November 1998 piece on how every conservative organization Francis joined starting in graduate school was eventually destroyed by factional infighting.

Francis wrote “…there seems to be no other purpose of any conservative organization than to ignite a faction fight as soon as possible and thereby destroy the organization.”

BTW, at NRO Jonah Goldberg today called for the Conservative Movement to “John Birch the Alt Right” as WFB did the original JBS.

With no sense of irony, Goldberg praised Hillary Clinton for praising the Conservative Movement for purging the racists in her speech.

31 08 2016
Hard Right

It’s probably because we’re too individualistic.

31 08 2016
countenance

Not only without irony, but also without shame. (((Jonah))) praised himself for liberal mommy giving him a big freshly baked cookie and for giving his baby brother a lump of coal.

How does (((Jonah))) think that the Conservative Inc Movement is going to purge people and groups that aren’t part of it and don’t want to be?

31 08 2016
Pangur

I assume that Jonah has a lot of unanswered questions in this, the current year. Your question of course is rhetorical, but the answer is that Jonah will likely go home to the Dems.

31 08 2016
countenance

Or it could be institutional arrogance. He must think that today’s NR has the same level of influence over the entire right half of the political spectrum that Buckley once had.

31 08 2016
countenance

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439522/hillary-clinton-alt-right

(((Jonah))) was happy with HRC’s screeching for the same reason some mainstream garden variety liberals were mad with it, because she differentiated lamer cons from the alt-right. The garden libs wanted her to try to conflate the two, because they’re schmedricks who still buy the yay blue team boo red team bullshit. Unlike someone who is sophisticated enough, like HRC, who knows that the left-right D-R kabuki theater sometimes has to be put aside so that the establishment can circle the wagons around the establishment.

31 08 2016
Pangur

“all conservative movements fail due to the lack of loyalty of its members”

A self-fulfilling prophecy if ever there was one. Also, self-defeating conservadad thinking; it seems to me that all the new ideas and energy are on the right these days, but maybe I’m missing something (perhaps it’s the stench of failure that hangs on guys like Fleming).

31 08 2016
Joshua Sinistar

There is no Alt-Right. They took the name of an obscure website and made it the Lamebrain Dinosaur Media label for anyone not scared of being called waciss. They’re so stupid and predictable. They’re trying to do what they did to the TEA Party. Set them up to be misled. After the TEA Party thing started, some lamebrain Billionaire asshole set up a fake false flag TEA Party. All they gave to them was a bunch of lame unpopular Indians from the Asian Subcontinent and a couple of ghey Cubans for Amnesty.
The Alt-Right isn’t the TEA Party 2.0. Its give us liberty or take a dirt nap, bitch. It’s Trump or War this time. They don’t believe it, but reality will run them over even if they have their eyes wide shut this time.

31 08 2016
Pangur

“Or it could be institutional arrogance. He must think that today’s NR has the same level of influence over the entire right half of the political spectrum that Buckley once had.”

This would be funny as hell and I wouldn’t bet against this angry jew thinking just that. Buckley was terrible for the right, but there’s no doubt he wielded enough power to do the job set to him (purge the movement of actual conservatives).

31 08 2016
Joshua Sinistar

They don’t need Buckley, man. The TEA Party was hijacked by a Billionaire who set up a fake false flag TEA Party. That whole thing was FUBAR. Instead of White advocates, they ended up with dot Indians and ghey Cubans for multiculturalism and amnesty. They won’t quit. They’ll never stop.
This whole Alt-Right thing is a way to herd all the Real opposition into another false flag operation, run by ghey dudes like Milo and fake rebels. Even Trump doesn’t go far enough. Sure Trump seems like an Alpha Male, but he’s 70 and his daughter converted to Judaism.
I smell a big fat rat right here. Alt-Right doesn’t exist. Its just a label they created to herd you together to mislead you like they did the TEA Party. Guys like Vox Day say they’re for White people, but he says he’s an American Indian with Mexican relations himself. Theodore Beale can claim he’s an Alpha Male, but he looks like a sci-fi nerd to me. He spent the past two years fighting for plastic rocket dildo awards given out at sci-fi conventions. Yeah, big deal.
We’re talking about our future and the future of our children and grandchildren. Plastic rocket dildo awards at sci-fi conventions don’t enter into this. We’re living at a crossroads. What we do now will decide the future.
Do you want your kids growing up in a nice White country with clean cities and low crime? Do you want your grandkids to see a California with beautiful White surfer girls playing Beach Blanket Bingo with handsome White guys, while muscular Arnold-type guys catch the rays to work on their tans lifting weights near Venice Beach?
Or do you want your kids growing up around diseased Third Worlders bullying them while committing crimes and spreading mosquito and monkey viruses? Do you want your grandkids living in a dessicated landscape of ruined cities fighting off radiation scarred homosexual mutants? Or in a world run by Damn Dirty Apes?
You better decide what to do now. This is a chronal nexus point. The future is decided here during this moment in history. We either have a paradigm shift now, or the future is not going to be Space Travel, its going to be mutants, ape city, disease, war, starvation and SUCK.

31 08 2016
higharka

Being partially right is more dangerous than being all the way wrong. The way that Jews have traditionally subverted gentile social movements is by joining them (either in crypsis or via proxy), loudly stating certain things that are correct, then using nepotistic referral arrangements to take control of the movement and ensure that it never accomplishes anything harmful to Jews or sustainably good for gentiles.

This is how our universities were stolen–by giving Jews prominence in history, humanities, and pharmaceutical/medical/social science while they were saying correct things about those disciplines, we allowed them to self-refer their marketing network into a force powerful enough to drown out all other voices. As a result, we got feminism, chemotherapy, and microaggressions.

That’s what tumors like Aurini, Cernovich, (((Roosh))), and Vox Day are–by inclusively marketing themselves as the alternative to feminism, and saying a lot of accurate (and immemorially obvious) things about feminism, they are channeling gentile generational anger into a crusade against white women, children, and families, rather than in tearing apart the Sanhedrin and cutting off Israel.

Just a few years ago, those lying scum were all advocating for homosexuality as being part of the “manosphere,” encouraging black men to pick up white women, and encouraging white men to ditch white women in favor of (1) sterile couplings with “Asian 10s” and (2) more money for VR sex and video-game retirement.

Now all of a sudden they’re pretending to be pro-Trump nationalists. This is what it feels like to get Jewed. Jews did not win the twentieth century by saying, “We are Jews, now do this.” They did it by infiltrating each gentile spot of resistance and co-opting it to their own purposes.

2 09 2016
curri

Nick Land and blogger Jim say WN is socialist, but are not really hostile to it if it’s done intelligently.Maybe the simplest way to define Alt-Right is “any Rightist tolerant of whites promoting their interests as whites.” Seems like another way of saying non-cuck.

2 09 2016
Hard Right

You might want to read Land a little more closely.

http://www.xenosystems.net/white-dindus/

2 09 2016
Hard Right

2 09 2016
3 09 2016
countenance

There is no NRx “versus” Alt-Right. NRx is a constituent part of the Alt-Right.

4 09 2016
Hard Right

While I agree with that view, many of them do not.

http://www.xenosystems.net/twitter-cuts-81/#comments

2 09 2016
2 09 2016
Alex the Goon

They couldn’t conserve womens’ restrooms, or even their own party.

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