Political Debating Is Useless, Part Too Many to Count

28 09 2016

Hempstead, New York

I wrote in AR a few minutes ago:

By the end of the weekend, I predict that:

(1) Credible scientific polling will show that more people think that Hillary won the debate than Trump won the debate, probably by a significant to landslide margin

(2) Based off the debate, and again from credible scientific polling, the support needle will move somewhat Trump’s way.

As contradictory as it may seem.

How can we reconcile this paradox?

Easy. With what I have written in this space fairly often, and in other places, and have said to a fair number of people:

Political debating is useless and irrelevant.

That’s because political debates are (DUH) political, not academic nor Aristotelian.

Put the two together, and we learn that winning the debate and winning the politics of the debate are two different things.

As an example, even if the polls show that she won the debate compared to him by a 90-10 margin, him hitting her on NAFTA and trade issues means that he wins the politics off the debate, no matter what else happens in the debate. That’s because the politics of trade issues is important to crucial marginal swing constituencies; they don’t care about birth certificates or Venezuelan hood ornaments or Line 48B on tax returns.

On top of that, the forces which move needles in electoral politics are way more powerful than, and have nothing to do, with these charades mislabeled “debates.”

You may remember, especially if you are or once were a Ted Cruz supporter, that that was my rejoinder to the notion that his supporters peddled here about a year and a half ago (well before Trump announced) that he’d clean up in Republican debates. And I agreed at the time that he would, and as it turned out, he did well in them. If the debates were academic affairs, he would have won them in that way, too, because he already has a shelf full of trophies that he won in academic debates. But it would not have mattered, and as we can see, it didn’t matter. Because Cruz was eloquently debating on behalf of an ideology that is getting less and less relevant to fewer and fewer people.

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16 responses

28 09 2016
David In TN

Every seen the Patterico.com site? “Patterico” is a serving Los Angeles County Deputy DA and was a big Ted Cruz supporter. I think Patterico saw Cruz as a man like himself who “would take Hillary Clinton apart in a debate.”

Patterico is a Never Trump hard-liner who takes a shot at Trump every day. He’s for “constitutional principles and limited government.”

Patterico thinks Trump’s support is celebrity worship.

28 09 2016
countenance

Los Angeles County? You’d think he’d grok the demographic folly of his whole schtick just from that alone. Because I’m so sure Ted Cruz would win elections in L.A. County, with all those religiously oriented or inclined social conservative limited government voters such as Jews, gays, Hispanics.

28 09 2016
David In TN

Good point. Patterico often inveighs against illegal alien criminals murdering Americans, Kate Steinle in particular.

Patterico never seriously discusses the demographic changes in California and the political consequences thereof, to my knowledge. He seems to accept the impossibility of winning as a “conservative” in his state to be part of the game.

28 09 2016
Hard Right

Let’s not forget what’s important here. Trump said somebody is fat.

28 09 2016
29 09 2016
Hard Right

How did Miss Piggy become an American citizen? Was she one of the 858 “mistakes?”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/28/gop-official-questions-trump-accusers-citizenship/

A top state-level Republican questioned how Alicia Machado, the former Venezuelan beauty queen who says Donald Trump demeaned her, became a U.S. citizen this year, given a checkered past that included allegations of threatening a judge and involvement in a drive-by shooting.

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Hard Right

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28 09 2016
Hard Right

Did she watch the right debate?

28 09 2016
Hard Right

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Hard Right

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Hard Right

28 09 2016
Alex the Goon

“It tastes good.”

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28 09 2016
Hard Right

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/09/28/clemson-bans-references-harambe-racism-concerns/

Administrators at Clemson University are asking students to stop referencing Harambe, claiming jokes about the deceased gorilla promote rape culture and racism.




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