Mary Tyler Moore, RIP

25 01 2017



She was known for comedy acting, and well known as Lucille Ball’s protege.

But particularly noteworthy in her career was this non-comedy role, co-starring role along side Donald Sutherland in the drama that won the Best Picture Oscar for 1980, which was saying a lot because that year was a great one for movies.  And for good reason:  Ordinary People just does it for me because it’s two things:  One, dramatic involving family matters and women to some extent without being notably feminine, and two, borderline Shakespearean in plot.

The red envelope company has it DVD-only.




5 responses

25 01 2017
Alex the Goon

Tom Leykis used to give her well-deserved shit, for setting a bad example for women. There goes Mary Tyler Moore! She’s liberated! She has a job! She gets a paycheck! She cashes her check! She buys shoes! She buys hats! She doesn’t budget, save, or plan for the future!

25 01 2017
John Vawter

As a child of the ’70s, I enjoyed the MTM-produced (and Norman Lear!) shows, it wasn’t until long afterwards I understood them in broader context. But as cultmarx as they were, some aspects of them are almost politically incorrect these days because they were products of their time, and those times were not as liberal as boomers would have us believe.

25 01 2017
David In TN

I’m one of those boomers and no those times were not that liberal, compared to now at least.

it’s also true that TV writers put liberal messages in their products in those days. Nowhere near what they peddle now.

26 01 2017

The first two seasons of the MTM Show were quite conservative. It wasn’t till season three that the (((bolshie))) elements got piled on. Till then, Mary Richards was and admirable, intelligent, strong, attractive, modest, hard working, clean white woman.

In the first two seasons (I didn’t watch it after that) she never slept over with her dates, bragged about sex, or acted sluttish. She dressed modestly. She kept herself in shape with careful eating and exercise. Her dates were mannerly, masculine men. She was selective in her dating. She took her job seriously and didn’t expect men to carry her at work. Her boss was tough on her, but she rose to the challenge. She kept her personal dramas mostly out of the office. When she did something wrong, she was held accountable.

She didn’t mudshark, didn’t booze, didn’t do drugs, didn’t cuss. She wanted to marry (the show’s premise was that after dating a man seriously for two years, he dumped her, unwilling to commit to wife and family) and have kids. The show explored an important theme for our people: what it takes for a man to convince a good strong white woman that he is worth dividing her ancestors’ DNA for.

She worked because she had to. That was the whole point. “You’re going to make it after all” was a slap in the face of the (((Madison Avenue)))/Bernays women’s lib garbage. It affirmed for countless white women in the 1970s and 1980s that even though their menfolk were thrown out of work, their communities’ job base emptied out, their hour of wages devalued, their neighborhoods ruined by groids–even so, they were not helpless in the face of globalization.

Today’s men forget what white women went through in those decades. They join in with the (((cultural masters))) in bashing white women. In the very decades when our women so often had to fight so hard to survive–many men betrayed and abandoned them for sports, porn, and dope. This is something us guys have to reclaim. Though some of us never went down that road, squares that we always were.

This was in fact one of the most positive portrayals of a woman in TV history. At least for the first two seasons, until Norman Lear pushed the whole thing in the (((degenerate directions he was famous for))) and a white woman’s life took back seat to queers, drugs, and such.

IMO she represented that narrow window in the 1970s where freedom and responsibility were balanced almost perfectly…before Reaganomics/globalismo and Challahwood took the culture over and corrupted it beyond recognition to the drug-and-booze-numbed worship of shekels and things.

Just my perspective as a 58 yo guy who remembers the time, the show, and Miss Moore’s work. I thought she was adorable in those earlier years and downright amazing in Ordinary People. I think the “Chuckles the Clown” episode of MTM was one of the best-ever half hours of TV. Though as I said I wasn’t watching regularly by that season–the “social message” garbage had put me off by then.

I only wish that the women I’d met early in my life in broadcasting were like her. But I have no regrets, considering how things worked out for me.

25 01 2017
David In TN

I saw Mary Tyler Moore on the Dick Van Dyke show when JFK was president. I’ve read her hair and clothing was based on the First Lady, Jacqueline Kennedy.

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